I have always heard "Black Irish" meant dark hair, light skin and light eyes. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. thoughtlessly generous, quick to resent and forgive offenses, to form Side-of-beef faces, faces with fabulously understated blond hair of a ski-masked men with machine guns, their faces wracked with the their empty white skies) of hapless, sunstruck rebels about to be hanged @Anon109506: The Irish experience you spoke of was more common in the northeastern U.S. My mother is black irish - dark hair, pale skin, and dark eyes that can change to a green/grey color with mood also. I do not agree that the term "Black Irish" was used to describe people with darker features. This is way the English call them black. If your family history says your ancestors were from Ireland, well then, you have Irish ancestry. but if you start to rise up they knock you down," says Lorna Hovell, A handful of the survivors fled to Scotland, but it is believed to be unlikely that any of them ever made it past the beaches of Ireland and unlikely that any of them could have made a significant genetic contribution to the people of Ireland. Ireland was under the dominion of the Moors before other inhabitants moved the the island. money and guns are gathered in New York and Boston to support the May 31, 2016. There's usually something so alien about them and how they work that, very often, they don't look terribly human or recognisable at all . R they really known for insanity? The whole red hair and freckles thing is a myth. the world. The interpretations of the findings of DNA are just that 'interpretations' very contentious and very misleading. Good news, people. then ruin it all with jealousy, egotism, alcohol, blarney, impossible So there is your answer anon26002, or whatever your number is. born in Ireland and now director of sales at the Phoenix Park Hotel. In 1845-49,the great potato blightdevastated Irish crop and put the Irish people on the brink of Starvation. light olive skin, but tans in the summer (she can be mistaken for Italian, Mexican or Mediterranean). The first settlers in ireland arrived from what is now the Basque region in Spain. It has never been proven. Paul Ryan: Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. After all, the British Isles were connected to the continent after the last ice retreated and the seas have been very very well traversed in any case over the many millennia since the separation from the continent. Haha. It has not changed. To 24687, I think that is only in his family, if it's true at all. I also have sioux ancestry and my grandfather was french and irish, most of my non italian side has dark hair but being part italian can add too the black irish features because I have a jim morrison type mouth and eye area and he looked black irish, so maybe just being a bunch of different features can give a black irish look, I get pretty pale and pink in the winter but in summer I look like I am half spanish due to a dark tan, but I do also have some very white ancestors on the irish side also but most did have dark hair, its weird because at times I look very Italian or more Irish sometimes with my wide face and cheek bones ( i know a wide face is a Irish feature) and big mouth I even look native american at times but I guess every one comes out with their own special look to them. In 416, Saint Jerome wrote of an Irishman who argued with him: "An I was adopted and have always been asked what my nationality was, since I have no idea. The ultimate travesty was once known as the stage Irishman. All that I do know from my mother's side are that my great grandmother was either half or full indian on my grandpa's side. Black Irish has nothing to do with Africa or an African connection. The Celtics had black hair and therefore are the true Irish. (People like myself, who are of British heritage, obviously have dark hair, but that's not the point.) black Irish - potato famine of the mid-nineteenth century - black rot. I assume none of you have studied ancient celtic civilizations or anthropology either. They are mostly stout and hardy, dark haired, dark skinned and dark-eyed. I'm black..but my last name is O'Neal does this mean I have Irish decent? My oldest brother has dark brown hair, green eyes and freckles. He has brown hair and green eyes. how cool is that haha. To me, an American growing up with Irish parents, my take on it, is be proud if your parents or grandparents say they are black Irish. gentleness one associates with peacemakers or saving the whales, but it Like in the time of Martin Luther King Jr. when there was a "coloured" drinking fountain and a "whites only" drinking fountain. The history of U.S. discrimination against the Irish, however, offers an interesting comparative data point. Are Oscar hopes dimming for "The Banshees of Inisherin"? I'm half British, a quarter Irish and a predominant 10 percent Iberian as opposed to Italian or Greek. i am 100 percent irish (live in derry) but have asian shaped eyes, dark brown color and dark skin, my hair is dark brown. Think before you write. I'm Irish, myself. feeling it's the mothers who give them to the sons, at least -- that suffers it raceless and placeless, universal citizens, members of the If I were in your shoes, I'd make a shirt that says "Proud Black Man/Woman of Irish Heritage", that is, if you want to represent what you stand for. Unfortunately, it's not an idea that came from Ireland. These are faces that can be so immediate, so 3-D, that when My bloodline goes back at least a 900 years in that country I like to call Hibernia. are full of tweed-capped schemers with crooked grins, and wisdom They moved to America for a better life, and were still called black Irish. I believe that the original Celts were from India and Central Asian origin. An He got it from his mom, not my blue eyed, dark haired, pale skinned irish uncle. Someone also asked was i native american. I am Irish, so who gives a crap? That said, imagine a group that broke off millennia ago from a larger group of Semitic languages to encounter and colonize the lands to the north and west. I myself happen to be Black Irish, or so I'm told by my dad and grandmother because they are too. The term black Irish is a slur on any person of Irish descent who was poor and worked with their hands. These myths are; Although there is no weighted reference to the natives of Ireland, there exists anIrish Myth. Black Irish, like the "dark folk" in Scotland, were the original, ancient peoples of both these countries: dark skinned, black hair and (originally) very tall people. See answer (1) Best Answer. The black Irish were the workers, since most Irish are white, so they needed a way to separate the nobles from the poor. I am 100 percent Irish American with possibly 1/8 Belfast Orangewoman blood. Where this coloring may originate is an interesting question. The term "Black Irish" is used almost exclusively outside of Ireland in reference to certain groups of people, although there is little agreement over the people to whom it applies and why. I have Irish eye shape as well, more obvious when I was a young child. The Protestants were the Wasps ( White Anglo Saxon Protestants). My mother is black Irish mainly and a bit of English. One side regarding the other as wicked and vice versa. Irishness you see instantly in the faces of John Kennedy, Maureen So, the orignial group that redheads appeared amongst were those with the eumelanin characteristics. It depends on my mood. The black population was largely genetically separate from populations that became white (Europeans). Very interesting. Anyway, the mixture between blonde and brunets originates beautiful people. Maybe it isn't a myth. We fight against the appropriation of these features, but how frequently do we tear down our own kind for having . Nothing Iberian about it. Typically, they were farmers, miners, fishermen -- you get the drift. The grandsons are all brown haired and blue eyed, as Irish as they come. @118491 I think you're correct in saying that it must have been because they settled in the Five Points district, NYC. They all Both were referred to as black Irish because of the fact they worked. . The term also might have originated in the West Indies, where some Catholics are believed to have used it to describe Protestant immigrants from Ireland. This obsession with Irish "purity" just doesn't exist anywhere else. Gerry Adams, head of the IRA's political wing, Sinn Fein, has been They call us "rebels" for a reason. Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely. They left Asia Minor and went all across North Africa. African slaves were far more expensive than Irish slaves, so to cut the cost African males were bred with Irish females so their owners wouldn't have to purchase an African slave. The term "black irish" is too complex when you think of what it symbolises around the world. It really is some Spanish, or at least the same descendants of the Spanish, you can just see it and notice it even when it's only 10 percent. children arranged by height, like organ pipes, and the mother holding a Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. 2. My family are from Ireland. Black Irish merely refers to a group of families who moved from Ireland to Scotland at some time (I don't know exactly when) in the past. Theobald Mathew in the New York Tribune, on ", "A lot of them have been activists," said Rep. Thomas Manton of New worldwide nation of the Poor and Downtrodden. They are often medium to tall in height, and finely boned, almost gracile. House, cannot be imagined young. You are all wrong, the original Irish natives are all dark haired and dark featured. . enough to eat it. In many cases, it refers to people of Irish ancestry who have features that are darker than stereotypical Irish features blue or green eyes, reddish hair and pale skin. Both my parents are dark haired with blue eyes (although my mothers hair was blonde when she was younger), my three siblings were red-haired and freckled with one sister with blond/light brown hair and green eyes. They are mostly stout and hardy, dark haired, dark skinned and dark-eyed. A handful of Spanish sailors did wash up on the shores of Scotland and Ireland in 1588. . These features are normally dark hair, dark blue/green/brown eyes and sallow skin. Copy. Heh. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." This type has dark brown hair, sometimes even jet black. green beer, green neckties, green bagels, green leprechaun hats, green eyes. I don't care for the term "Black Irish" all that much either. A recent RTE program revealed that genetic records show that the *true* Irish Gaels are indeed dark curly haired with complexion varying from season to season. Who knows and who cares? I just recently found my father and found out that we are everything under the sun!! My mother has black hair black brown eyes. Just to put my two cents in on black Irish, there are too many theories. Viking Facial Features. Updated in 2022. If your Gt Grandpa was described as Mulatto on the census, and your Gt Grandma was not, then maybe he really was genuinely Mulatto. You should see my Ryan cousins and ancestors -- they're almost all dark-haired and brown or hazel-eyed and tan dark brown. They tried to take over Munster in northern Ireland, but they didn't want their butts kicked by women because women fought alongside the men. Another possibility is that poor immigrants from Ireland during the Great Famine of the late 1840s were called this term in their new country. But who would choose the sorrows that made them? However, most Europeans have long, narrow noses, prominent cheekbones, hooded and almond-shaped eyes, and thin lips. I get very very dark in the summer, never burn and have green eyes. ", But Irish faces are artworks, monuments to Irishness, and we are Throughout history, my family has been referred as black Irish, not for any other thing than being a member of the working class, not of noble birth. The Irish were Israelites of King David, keeping the Sabbaths of Moses, and the whole nine yards. my dad's brother has dark skin and hazel eyes and dark hair. The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. Europe was occupied by two species of human. The red hair, pale skin and freckled look is Scottish, not Irish. My dad was almost pure German, so I'm not losing any sleep over a few ancient branches of my mother's family tree, in Ireland, and Scotland. My father was of irish descent, my mother scottish. Look at people like Gabriel Byrne. I think there is truth to the Irish/Spanish connection like my parents spoke of. I have a photo of her mom--Charlcye Elrod, and nobody doubts she's part-Black. In 1588, the Spanish King Felipe II attempted to attack the Protestant heretics of England in a bid to restore Catholicism and also as a gesture of solidarity with the oppressed Irish Catholics. you talk with them they seem to be coming toward you without ever I look like a Spaniard in the summer. You don't talk much about English faces, Polish faces, Korean faces in Washington, inching his way toward legitimacy, and opening an office Gt grandma was born in Ireland in 1840 and married a born and bred New Yorker. Irish ancestry in the 1990 census. He looked deadset Indian, and all my Egyptian friends said "he is Egyptian". Although many Irish descendants are particularly pale, they do have pronounced Africoid facial features, as well as dark brown eyes, and dark brown hair that is sort-of kinky . If you go to Irish speaking communities, you will see a significant number of the population with dark features. The Irish water spaniel is a medium-size sporting dog breed from Ireland that has a curly, medium-length coat that only minimally sheds. Best. My grandmothers last name is Haley, another old and not very common Irish last name. She claimed to be of "Black Irish" descent on her mother's side (her mother or grandmother may have been part Indian in the Missouri Territory). IMPORTANTLY, there is also alot of misleading 'genetic' hogwash, being just misinterpreted to try and prove we are not Irish, Not celtic etc, or just disprove links with the other Celtic peoples. Are these typical facial features of Irish people long oval shaped faces Medium too High cheekbones Small eyes that are thin and narrow Round Prominent chin Slightly Upturned nose Dark hair and Dark eyes are very common among Irish people like Dark Brown and Hazel even Black hair and Brown eyes is also common Milky . brother Michael goes to four and five wakes a week. Also research the link between the Moors and Spain. I would need hours ofwriting here to make my point;( lets just say - that if it shows your dNA test has 44% irish , 22 scottish, 4 spanish, 3 african etc etc..it does NOT mean you are not 100% irish, because these are just indications of similarity- not bloodlines at all. There is a different theory for the origin of the term Black Irish, which has nothing to do with physical appearance. I don't have any papers to prove what the black Irish are. You never say "He had a face like the map of Then you couldn't have crawled I have brown hair with very, very light hints of red, no freckles, and my skin is incredibly tan. i just want to say that i have black irish on my dad's side and my moms side is cherokee indian. The Irish Potato Famine caused for a booming Irish population in Five Points, as the land decreased in value due to unclean living conditions. account in 1913 said: "His hair is of a fiery red, he is rosy-cheeked, On the other hand my grandfather and I are the only ones with blue eyes and over 5 6in tall with very dark brown hair. generation are apt to become the unpleasant and mischievous realities of I just always thought it had something to do with being a traveler. The original inhabitants can now be recognized in Scotland, Ireland and Wales as small, dark, fine-boned people, unlike the tall, fair or red incomers (Celts). He had no difficulty believing Christianity's doctrines of evil and They have fair, cool-toned skin like most Irish people. People look at me and see me as white. ignorance and cynicism that is the mark of the oppressed. Most of the comments posted on this page are just people's theories. The Irish (Irish: Muintir na hireann or Na hireannaigh) are an ethnic group and nation native to the island of Ireland, who share a common history and culture.There have been humans in Ireland for about 33,000 years, and it has been continually inhabited for more than 10,000 years (see Prehistoric Ireland).For most of Ireland's recorded history, the Irish have been primarily a Gaelic . I'll tell you one thing: the Irish can be the fightin'est people around, with easily offended pride and quick to physical confrontation. We are English on my father's side and Irish on my mother's side. Other Irish have simply tested high for Ireland, Wales, and Scotland in this autosomal test. The people of Ireland, SW England and parts of Wales have a very strong similarity with Iberia from 7,000 to 15,000 years ago. In general, they are typical of northern Europe. Smiling mouths and mournful I read that "Black" placed before an ethnicity, i.e., Black Irish; Black German, etc., alludes to those ethnicities inter-marrying with Native Americans, and the children, born darker than their Irish parents, were referred to as black to hide the native American blood, as this was quite shameful at the time. maybe it's different in america, but my dad said before that the term black irish was used to describe carribeans of irish and african decent in london and that a hundred years ago to justify oppression the english used to try to make similarities between irish and africans. The romans also never made it on to the island of Ireland because the Irish were considered to be too rough and wild to be civilized and were considered to not be worth the effort it would take the romans to civilise them. and many of her songs have a Celtic sound. How about the Roman occupation of the british isles? Anyone of mixed race calling themselves "Black Irish" is ill-informed. The primary genetic legacy of Ireland seems to have come from people from Spain and Portugal after the last ice age," said McEvoy. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Our heritage helps us connect, and teaches us respect for others as well as for ourselves. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Considering that, we can categorize the looks into two groups. I guess the more 'stereotypical' Irish. But regardless of that, the irish people are known to have come from spanish basque who emigrated to ireland thousands of years ago, hence most irish having dark features (75 percent of irish people have dark brown hair and eyes thanks to the basque invasion, 15 percent have blonde hair and 10 percent have red hair, thanks to the viking invasion). The Irish do blue eyes very well. Europeans generally most closely resemble their neighbours, so the Irish are closest to the people in western Britain, and quite close to the English, while the eastern and southern English are quite close to the continental peoples to the east. He is of Native American and Irish decent. My own "Anglo-Irish" (a term I learned from an American whom I described my upbringing to) heritage keeps me out of trouble. The Irish population fell considerably in the 17th century because of the slave trade. , The Whiteboys began committing terrorist acts against those farmers and business men who traded with the Protestants.
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